God is A Drug Addict! – My encounter with God, Sadhus and LSD
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I first met him during “Kumbhmela” The greatest Pilgrimage on Earth. He was a Aghori. He looked at me and said “God Is a drug addict” . I must have looked into his eyes with disbelief. He said he didn’t finish his sentence, he took a deep breath of Ganja and said
” God is a drug addict and his drug is Love, This whole universe is filled with Drug called Love. If you can be a drug addict with Love then you have arrived my friend” and he walked away. This was almost 15 years Back. After that I had many encounters with Saints,Drugs and God . Here are few notes based on my insight.
LSD and other drugs hold out great possibilities. There are good reasons to hope that these two things can be successfully used to enable the human consciousness to have a glimpse of the new awareness. I do not accept that one can attain the state of samadhi (cosmic consciousness) through them, yet these can certainly give its glimpses. And once one gets a glimpse, the thirst for true ‘SAMADHI’ arises. It is no exaggeration to say that deep beneath the strong attraction in the West today for yoga and meditation lies the under-current of LSD. Hundreds of thousands of people reach the amphitheatre of yoga through the by-lanes of LSD.
When someone takes a tablet of LSD, then for some hours he gets, so to speak, transported into a completely different world. To my mind the ‘SOMA RASA’ or the nectarine drink of the Vedic period must have been something similar to it. Aldous Huxley has written a book in which he has given the psychedelic drug to be developed after 2000 A.D. The name of ‘SOMA,’ on the basis of ‘SOMA RASA.’ and those who have had a trip of LSD or mescaline came to realize for the first time how the Vedic sages could see their gods and goddesses traversing the earth in flesh and blood.
For instance, as we read the poetry of Sufi’s, we begin to feel that he paints his imagery with colours such as are unknown to us. He sees such dimensions in a flower which are not manifest to us. LSD Transports you to the same world. Each and every leaf becomes delightfully green, and each and every flower appears unique. The human eye then seems to possess a depth such as it has never before experienced. An ordinary chair becomes a living entity. The whole world takes on a new look, for that length of time at least, as if lightening has flashed in a dark night. And for a moment the whole scene — the tree, the flower and the winding path may become illumined. The lightening may disappear after a short while and darkness may again envelope everything, yet we cannot be the same men as we were before the lightening flashed.
Doctor Leary is a unique personality in this field who has done tremendous work in the direction of making it possible for man to attain the experience of ’samadhi’ by the use of drugs. And those who have made such experiments become different persons altogether; they were just able to turn over a new leaf in their lives.
Lot of these saints used to live in remote places of Himalayas and Forests. Over a period of time working on their body and mind they found out certain chemical changes transport you to different world. Before coming to real world they wanted to experience the world of Psychedelic drugs. These drugs gave them glimpse of Consciousness where they were in absolute surrender. Suddenly in absolute surrender and undistilled awareness they found the beauty of nature and God. Unfortunately they could not sustain the momentum or the beauty of the vision. As along as the drug effect was there they could feel immense possibilities. the moment drug effect came down then came back to mind world. Sadhus felt seperated at birth and tehy felt seperated from God.
The diffrence was Consciousness. In drugs you they were un-conscious. With consciousness you will see the same experience of world as drugs but then Consciousness is GOD!. Sadhus who started their journey with drugs all took their shelter in consciousness.
Recent researches in this field have revealed startling facts. If a person fasts for a protracted period, the resulting changes in his body will only be chemical. Though at cursory glance it may appear that Sages were against the smoking of ganja; yet if we analyze their insistence on fasting, we may conclude that the changes caused in the body after thirty days fasting are also chemical and quite similar to those caused by smoking ganja. There is no difference at all. The changes resulting from PRANAYAM (the science of breath) are also chemical.
If a person breathes in a certain way, changes in the proportion of oxygen begin to take place. A profuse supply of oxygen causes some elements to burn down and others to be preserved. The changes inside are chemical.
In order to reach cosmic consciousness not thru drugs but thru other means Sages Invented Yogasanas and Fasting. If you look at the history of Indian masters then you will realize both fasting and discipline of yoga is very important in most of their teachings.
Even Now lot of religions across the world use drugs as a source of glimpse to divine. You can get enough records of this usage in Aghori, Essenes, Sufiana, Tibetan traditions. But then this was a mystic science which got lost over a way and Drugs found a way with hippies as substance of abuse. Only in deep Tibet experiments are still carried on in scientific manner.
Drugs are addictive because the experience of the world is unparalleled in its experience. People do not know how to get that experience without drugs. Once you do not know the path to this experience you fall back into drugs experience. It’s unfortunate one of the most mystical part of human history got lost in translation. It’s not accidental while describing enlightened masters in our history records we use often words like “drunk with Divine”.
MY NOTE: SAY NO TO DRUGS. I AM AGAINST ANY DRUG USAGE AND GO GET HELP IF YOU NEED ONE. SAY NO TO DRUGS! I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING FOR DRUGS. DRUG IS NO WAY MEANS TO REACH GOD.
For others hope I gave you a glimpse of plight of drug addicts. It is an unbearable experience of separating from divine and helplessness in not finding the same without drugs. Drug addictiveness is beyond words because experience is beyond words. that’s why you can never be communicative with drug addicts. You need as much as compassion to cure them.
Love is GoD and I am a GoD addict!
Suresh
It is very Important post. I thought you are like one of those bloggers who write what readers want to read.
I am stuck by your courage to write on really sensitive topic. I have been to Kumbhmela and seen most of the sadhus with drugs. I never understood the science behind it. But I always hated them for their behaviour.
So many things we judge so quickly in life. thanks for sharing Itneresting perspective. I am glad you did not end up supporting drugs
Vishi Avadhani
February 27, 2007 at 2:55 am
What a post suresh, sometimes drugs used in Lie detector test I beleive has same efects. Drugs can be useful too.
Mansoor
February 27, 2007 at 2:56 am
Check this photos for proof
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/Kumbhmela
Amazing ! I never heard this before!
Cathy
February 27, 2007 at 2:58 am
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February 27, 2007 at 4:20 am
check this photos of aghoris
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/photogallery/taboo/photo8.html
Melissa
February 27, 2007 at 5:07 am
Cathy and Melissa – thanks for Fabulous links. Really helpful to readers.
Suresh Gundappa
February 27, 2007 at 5:08 am
Interesting post i must say.
People take drugs with different intentions. Drugs or for that matter, any substance in increased usage is bad for the body.
And yes, Love is God.
Could you possibly explain why taking a tablet of LSD is considered bad, in a person’s whole life?
My take on Aldous Huxley: http://philososphyofalex.blogspot.com/2007/02/we-viewer.html
Why is alteration of human consciousness to attain something ‘unknown’ considered bad?
I too do not know the answers. I am searching.
Alex M Thomas
February 27, 2007 at 5:10 am
SUresh, can you tell us little more about Aghoris, I believe they are the Flesh eaters of East. I have heard numerous stories about them. May be you can remove common misconception about them. I have seen number of photos of them praying with skulls.
Do they still exist in India? Are they banned?
Susan freeman
February 27, 2007 at 5:12 am
Alex, Good question; personally I do not think Taking a LSD tablet once in a life time is Bad, I am living example of it.
Thanks for that wonderful link I really appreciate it. I guess it is not a bad idea to alter human consciousness to attain something Unknown. But my own take is that if we can do that without external help there are much bigger possibilities after that.
Susan- I may not be able to share my Aghori photos as they are bound by heart contract of not displaying their photos. However I’ll definitely write a small post on Aghoris in coming days. Probably I’ll send you personal note. YEs there are lot misconceptions about them and They still exist in India and they are very much part of underground Enlightenment movement.
Suresh Gundappa
February 27, 2007 at 5:19 am
Suresh,
I did assume that.
“But my own take is that if we can do that without external help there are much bigger possibilities after that.”
I agree, but i think it would take immense understanding to get to that ‘plane’ without an aid of some kind. Actually, LOVE, as you say, is the only thing that is necessary. But, seldom do i see that.
Alex M Thomas
February 27, 2007 at 5:30 am
Excellent capture. What does it symbolise?? Anger?
Alex M Thomas
February 27, 2007 at 6:45 am
“SAY NO TO DRUGS. I AM AGAINST ANY DRUG
USAGE AND GO GET HELP IF YOU NEED ONE.
SAY NO TO DRUGS!
I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING FOR DRUGS.
DRUG IS NO WAY MEANS TO REACH GOD. ”
wonderful post and optly you have made it very clear inabove words otherwise people may take to drugs ins search of god ultimately land elsewhere. It was delight to read this post and I really started thinking about my father who also believed in god and had everything
left to him and accepted whatever happened as
it came and never cribbed god has not given that and not this. always said what he gives in other world and the amount of peace you enjoy in this world have nothing to match
“Love is GoD and I am a GoD addict! ”
optly ended the writeup by this great sentenance a its worth so much it can not be measured in terms of money
great post by a great human
praneshachar
February 27, 2007 at 8:48 am
Suresh, I agree with you that taking to drugs is a kind of a God-seeking and it has been done through centuries together. You are also right that this is not the way to get the cosmic consciousness.
The God is only reachable through the conscious experiences, otherwise we are somewhere else.
In fact, while taking drugs one gets into the sphere of the collective subconscious, where you cam meet all sorts of images and have strong experiences because it works on the left side.
I have my explanation for the term “drunk with Divine” – because I experience it every day, but without any drugs:)
In my meditation, when my Sahasrara opens and the cooling, incredibly pleasant and enjoyable BLISS comes down my head and then my body, It feels like being drenched in the Divine Love (the experience well know and has been described in all religions and spiritual scholars)…But I am very conscious of what is happening, though it is always such a pity to get town to earthly things
Two more interesting things: when I happen to miss it, it feels like I am thirsty (but not physically), and after such an experience my skin feel incredibly soft, like an angel and – my eyes sparkle!
axinia
February 27, 2007 at 10:22 am
Suresh – Are Naga sadhus and Agoris the same? The life of agoris has intrigued me. Why do they hang out at cremation grounds? Women join as sadvis in the Naga Akharas, but I am wondering whether women are allowed into the agori sects.
A couple of years back I read a book written by an American Naga Sadhu who later headed one of the Akharas. He wrote about the chillums that the sadhus smoke with. I think trying to experience consciousness through LSD’s is like an illusion or Maya, because it lasts just as long as the drugs effect exists.
I am also reminded of the Turkish Dervishes who are followers of the Sufi order and who dance whirling around till they reach a trance. This is their way of experiencing divinity.
As always your post is very interesting.
Priya
February 28, 2007 at 2:54 am
Priya, very good observation and you raised some important questions?
Naga Sadhus are different from Aghoris. Naga sadhus take Extreme Discipline route where as Aghoris predominantly use Death science as route to Divine.
The sadhus you find mostly standing on one leg, standing on Head and Little aggressive ones are NAga Sadhus. They are physically extremely fit and powerful. they use body as much as possible.
Where as Aghoris home ground is Cremation ground. Their aim to erase mind out of all fixed impressions. they want to move beyond the world of right and wrong. They do everything to shock your mind and kill mind thru shock value. Also they work so much on Energies around bodies, It becomes easy to experiment with fresh dead bodies rather than Alive ones for obvious reasons. In UP state India. Lot of the Villagers believe they help the cause of Aghoris by donating dead bodies for Experiments. Both Naga Sadhus and Aghoris stay out of socializing as much as possible.
Yes there are Female Naga Sadhvi’s and Aghori Sadhvi’s. I happen to know Couple of them very closely who have done Some outstanding work on Tantra. Infact Young aghoris and Naga sadhus Spend quite a time with Older Sadhvi’s to understand School of Tantra & Love.
I used to practice Turkish Dervishes at the Tomb of Rumi. Now turkish dervish dance is subtle art of Surrender. If you can rotate for at least thirty minutes with right posture then the energy gathered in Rotation can take you for hours. I went thru vigorous 21 days session on whirling. some days I used to whirl from morning to evening. To move into cosmic consciousness this is one of the most effective sufi methods. Please note that everything we live in is also continuously rotating – earth , Planets, etc… and the trick of rotating is When you are at the deepest surrender of rotating Your mind stops. it is like watching earth rotating at a distance.
Your one comment fluttered memories of me with these sects. Each of them have unique perspective and all of them lead to awareness. I enjoyed and learned from each one of these sects as much as possible.
Lots of love and thanks for your comments,
Suresh Gundappa
February 28, 2007 at 3:51 am
The Beatles also were into drugs at some point of time. I read somewhere that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi had told them that they could have the same experience and much more through transcedental meditation.
Rakesh
February 28, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Suresh – Thank you so much for clearing my questions. Your experience is enriching us, the readers.
Priya
February 28, 2007 at 9:52 pm
As UG said God is the demand for permanent pleasure.
Since nothing is permanent in nature, God is out in the scheme of nature.
So God is unnatural and artificial projection of thought.
The demand for realizing the God is the demand for permanent orgasm.
Madhu
March 29, 2007 at 4:04 am
What JK has to say about it…
Self-knowledge through drug-use???
Jiddu Krishnamurti
Q: I think it is possible under certain drugs to know myself with analysis – there is no conflict.
K: If one takes LSD or various forms of drugs that helps a great deal, because in that there is not conflict at all. So you please take drugs. Does it really, does any drug, LSD, marijuana, any of them – does it really expose the totality of the content of consciousness, or does it bring about chemically a certain state of mind which is totally different from the understanding of oneself? These drugs – I have never taken them – they have taken them in India a great deal – I watched many people there. I have also watched students in universities in America, and many, many other people who have been taking various forms of drugs, LSD, marijuana, you know I don’t know what all the other names are – psychedelic drugs. If you have observed, these drugs do affect the mind, the brain cells themselves. They destroy the brain. If you have talked to one or many of those who have taken drugs, they can’t reason, they can’t pursue a logical sequence of thought – and the doctors and the scientists are beginning to say it does destroy the very structure of the brain cells. Not only LSD but marijuana, which is much more dangerous than LSD because that leaves a toxic condition in the brain cells and is more difficult to get rid of. In India they have taken drugs for millions, for thousands of years and they are the most ignorant people who have taken drugs. And all the so-called intellectuals in India have denied it, said don’t do it, touch it. I am not asking you not to take it, it’s up to you, but when you see the effect of it, on people – they have no sense of responsibility, they think they can do anything they like, many, many hospitals are full of these people who mentally are unbalanced through drugs.
[...]
Q: I find your sequence of thought illogical. And also I cannot see how you can argue against drugs if you have not any experience of taking drugs.
K: Ah wait. How can you argue against drugs if you have not taken drugs yourself? Must you go through various forms of experience, must you get drunk in order to understand sobriety? Must you get angry in order to find out what it is not to be angry? Must you over eat in order – and so on and so on. Can’t one observe without going through all the human mischief?
4th Public Talk, Brockwood Park, 1971
Book: Awakening of Intelligence, Part IX. CD-rom code: br71t4
Sanjay M
April 11, 2007 at 8:15 am
From: Jiddu Krishnamurti: Quotes, personal remembrances and historical documents
Sanjay M
April 11, 2007 at 8:16 am
There is a living God whom I have encountered-he died on the Cross of Calvery, took away my sins, and has given me eternal life. His name is Jesus.
He is full of mercy, compassion, truthfulness, and righteousness. He is not a drug addict- infact He is against things like drugs that can only destroy a person.
He give me hope in the midst of hopeless situations, takes my problems as His own, and gives me a solution to my problems. He has given me a beautiful life and a reason to live. So I tell others about Him b’coz he died for them too!
Shanti Sam
June 4, 2007 at 5:40 am
Om Namo Narayana – i am a Guru and even though my initiation is within
the Naga type lineage – i do Not take chillum nor any drug Nor will i work
with any that do. The journey is through consciousness and to break through
the conditioned mind to Stillness and Pure Awareness. Drug usage may many
times cause a disconnect that is not the letting go and dissolving into
Source.
Have met to many ungrounded and disconnected seekers who thought drugs
were the fast way to realization. Just take a pill – sit back – and
immeditate wisdom (?) This is a false assumption and one that brings
many casualities within it’s wake.
Maha Shanti Om
Sadhvi Nagaji Ganga-Puri Kaliuttamanda-Giri
August 6, 2007 at 11:50 pm
Well my take is that whatever you do, whatever you dont do does not simply matter in life of a human, there are a lot more important issues to be resolved and it all comes down to the basics of human compassion!
Who gives a damn, parents are not parents to their kids, teachers are on a power trip, politicians are ruining the country, but who cares.
It has all come down to survival and difernet people use different ways to survive in this mad world, some take to drugs and some get a kick out of punishing children in school or hitting their own child, firing his subordinate!!
Everybody is a drug user albeit to his own exposure and convenience and in relatio to his inner assholeness!!
JD
January 5, 2008 at 6:52 pm
God is not a drug addict.
God is Holy. People who try to reach him through all these means will only get frustrated as they will not find peace in their heart. God has became man in Jesus Christ so that we can know what he is like and achieve eternal life and have peace on our lives.
Ask Jesus into your heart today. By his shed blood your sins can be forgiven and you will be made right in the eyes of the Holy God.
D Naidu
February 6, 2008 at 4:12 am
Respects to all.
I’ve read the blog entry and the comments, and I’ve found them to be very interesting.
There are definitely good and open minded people here.
However, I must point out one thing. It seems that most people don’t believe that Ganja could be valid in and of itself to be a path to the divine. Still, not that it is right for me or anyone who is writing here, but are we not making some major assumptions by saying that it at best ‘can give a glimpse’ or that at worst ‘not interacting with those who consume’.
Should we not respect the beliefs of those who’s path or realization is blessed by the herb. It’s worth noting that Ganja is a naturally occuring herb that has been used for millenia by peoples around the entire world for both spiritual and medical purposes.
Just as that which is a blessing is often misused and abused, Ganja for the unready mind is regularly abused. Still, that should not discredit those whose spiritual path has been influenced heavily by the gifts of the Divine Mother Earth.
My good friend is Rastafarian, and in he is part of an ascetic lineage that believes the herb to be a blessing from ‘the most high’ and is mankind’s salvation. A world that intolerates the sacred herb, is one that abuses those who embrace the divine.
Let us also not forget that Ganja originates in the Sacred Himalayas and is considered a sacranent to The Lord Shiva.
As many are all biased in some form, or we may have discovered that it is not right for us, we can not making sweeping conclusions.
Shaivite
April 25, 2008 at 12:34 am
I am from the West, and interested in altered states of consciousness. Science can now explain to us what shamanic traditions around the World have known for a long time ; fasting, breathing in certain ways, rythms, music, rituals, groups, lack of sleep, sensorial deprivation, meditation etc are all techniques to change our usual state of counsciousness and… get high !
But getting high is not an aim as such, it can become a trap. Altered states of consciousness should be used to heal ourselves and others, improve our knowledge. They should be used to make us find harmony in our everyday life.
I heard one of Dalai Lama’s oracles say that everybody can predict the future once you have cleaned the dirt that clogs your mind.
I actually think that what that guy told you is funny and quite true in a way. Universal love can also be a trap. There is no short cut.
Hummingbird
May 1, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Awesome post..
Sandeep
June 25, 2008 at 10:20 pm
All these seekers, new and old, need to start probing the depths of everything they read and hear on such subjects. When the topic of drugs and spirituality arises, what is it exactly that is meant by spirituality in that specific context? If, by using that word, “spirituality”, one is referring to experiences (ecstatic-mystical visions, egoic transcendence, far removed from the content of ordinary mind states) then it is, essentially, as irrelevant to what could be called ‘Self-Realization’ as any other experience within consciousness. If, on the other hand, spirituality is taken to be an overall deepening of one’s experiences of mind, and a deeper re-cognition of selfless love and beauty permeating life, then the drug experiences with a supposed religious-mystical-ecstatic flavor to them are well within the boundaries of such a spirituality.
It all depends on your own definitions of the meaning of these words and the ultimate goal of your seeking.
If it’s a very direct, no nonsense ‘Self-Realization’ or perhaps better put ‘Self-Recognition’, or ‘Enlightenment’, then ALL experiences had within the field of consciousness have to be abandoned. One should have an indifferent attitude to them simply because there is infinite potential for the content of consciousness, and visions of the mind and perceptions through the senses of the external world are all appearances (temporary, ephemeral) within consciousness. The goal of this ‘Self-Realization’ is not an experience to perceive within this field of consciousness, otherwise it would be no different than an experience of boiling tea or seeing a rapturous vision of a deity. Both exist in an I-Thou relationship, and consciousness remains the seer of that phenomenon.
As far as I see it, and I subscribe to no path, no guru, no group, no specific belief, – drugs can only be helpful in giving glimpses of the infinite potential and possibility of mind and the inherent freedom of consciousness from its content. One could be perceiving the ordinary functioning of the mind and the perceptions of the external world one minute, and then after consuming a drug have this experiences tremendously altered, illustrating that all appearances within consciousness have no lasting reality and are ‘painted’, in a sense, by the mind itself and the nervous system and whatever else the chemicals in drugs influence.
The state of meditation that is usually considered the highest achievement is that where there is pure consciousness without content. Where intrusive thoughts, feelings and perceptions do not arise in consciousness, and there is only that ‘void’ which is consciousness itself. In such a state, any experience within the field of consciousness is something other than it. This seems a fairly obvious statement but in essence it has profound implications. Meditation removes the deeply ingrained identification with ephemeral forms. Identification with the body (“I am this body”), identification with the mind as such (“I am, as part of the body, this mind which has as its ["my"] functioning the capacity of intellect, memory, cognition, thinking, etc”), identification with the contents of that mind (“I am the variegated thoughts within this mind, and all the memories and dreams”) and identification with the senses as they relate to the body-mind as a whole (“I am known through contact both with the external world, which I consider to be both my body and the rest of the physical world, and through the internal cognition of my own emotions and thoughts”). This, as a process, ‘feels’ like moving deeper and deeper inward, from the periphery of experiencing, to the more subtle layer of mind which expresses itself as thoughts, desires, memories, and unconscious murmurings, – eventually passing that, until the faculty of awareness (which was previously ‘busy’ in experiences) rests in itself, in consciousness. This is far removed from all experiencing, and there is a non-dual recognition of one’s nature as consciousness-itself and none of the other things which appear in it.
I find it of intense personal interest that I was able to smoke marijuana (in irregular intervals, varying from constant daily use to gaps of months inbetween, etc) for years without ever, ever having anything which I would deem ’spiritual’ UNTIL those very ideas were brought into my mind years later and experiencing the fruition of that seed-form idea occasionally while smoking. For example, I smoked for years experiencing what I assume ‘most’ people do unless they are of a particular ’spiritual’ leaning … until about a year ago when after smoking regular amounts (i.e., which would only give another person a decent but normal high – and just a high, a buzz), the effect of all the spiritual ideas that were constantly an object of my contemplation started to become realities as such, and I would enter into a very spontaneous and very intense meditation state, with a very spontaneous breathing rhythm, and would experience all sorts of kundalini risings and ‘bliss’ permeating what felt to be the interior of my skull as the subtle energy culminated there like intense light.
These experiences were profound, I don’t deny that for a moment. The problem I have with them, however, is that as profound as they were, and as life-shattering as they were, and that they served as primary awakenings for me into the deeper realities of consciousness and mind, THEY HAVE LEFT NO PRESENCE. What I mean by that is that they came with the help of a drug and left with the drug. Nothing remained except the memory. And it’s not what I clumsily refer to as a helpful comparative memory like that of the natural meditation states without drugs. Those serve as definite signs that I can refer to when I feel things have taken a curious or bad turn in my progress. They serve as almost-tangible memories of a pure no-mind state, without intoxication (and any associated qualities like befuddled thought processes, etc), and have had a lasting presence here. Each time it feels like something being added to ‘me’. Each drug experience was like something was being loaned to me but ultimately I had to return it and was left with nothing.
One last things – I personally don’t care one bit whether sadhus and gurus use drugs. It neither means one thing or another to me. Perhaps the Vedas and all those sacred Indian texts were written by what we know as ‘hippies’ and stoners of their time. Their ancient date and sacredness doesn’t mean they’re “right”, though. A drug-free spirituality is difficult for those looking for quick and easy experiences, and it isn’t hard to understand why frustrated sadhus would use ganja and such to feel illumined with religious spirit if it isn’t happening otherwise. Personally I would stay away from such people if it concerned my spiritual pursuits. Otherwise I’m sure they’re great to be with and can provide fascinating conversation. But as far as real spirituality goes, a search for one’s essential self, no experience seems to be able to give anything except birth to more experiencing. I would relate this to what U.G. Krishnamurti said in his somewhat unique style about the individual and collective desire for the continuation of thought.
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December 31, 2008 at 4:28 am